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you have all my just as well stand for

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unprecedented Financial opportunity

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be normal this is the saucer life a

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podcast in which we examine Concepts

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events for people orbiting the world of

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flying saucers few preconceptions snark

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when Justified no belief no debunking

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and it's another Zine scene installment

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which people seem to like for some

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reason and we're going to look at the

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second issue of UFO magazine or rather

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California UFO magazine now I should be

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clear that we're looking at the second

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issue available of California UFO

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magazine and this is the January

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February 1987 issue and on the cover

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it's designated Volume 2 number one

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which makes me think I mean I mean

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conventionally that would be the first

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episode of or first episode the first

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but but everything in the um sort of

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to believe this is actually the second

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the second issue so if you haven't

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of UFO magazine don't worry it's not

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required to understand this one but just

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be aware that UFO magazine was a lot

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less nuts and bolts oriented than it

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would later become it's much more

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covering the entire weird spectrum of

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the UFO world so let's go ahead and dive

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okay so let's start with the cover like

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the first issue it's it's printed in

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limited colors to keep costs down and

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um are are black and white and this time

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this issue it's purple and orange which

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networking parties but this is a

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company is VIP parties and then in

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entertainment rather than Sports to get

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a personalized invitation to California

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offices to this day thanks for helping

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to start the party do you have Walter

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deluding persons out there who make

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unsubstantiated claims we are to believe

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scientific for a living because they're

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24-hour UFO hotline to be full of

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nonsense is really taking place why

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flying saucer and publish it in a

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of these absurd fictional reports

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larger staff and budget they are going

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their own but until that time they are

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quote Cooper also

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clarifies that UFO magazine or sorry

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line are not uh are not connected and

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she notes that this is an incorrect

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assumption that many readers have

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expressed so I don't know maybe not

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running a huge feature on it with the

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person running it listed under the

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Masthead on your staff was a great idea

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editor Cooper sort of might have

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contributed to that connection in some

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people's minds now those two letters

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were kind of negative but Keith Thompson

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of Mill Valley who I am 99.9 sure is the

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Keith Thompson who would later write the

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book angels and Aliens he applauded the

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approach laid out in the first issue

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congrats on the first issue of

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California UFO I like the tone you

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established throughout I think success

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is guaranteed if you live up to that

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promise of being willing to explore the

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I agree Mr Thompson

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so now we move on to some of the news

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stories that appeared in this issue and

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one that really struck me is that there

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was a contact Symposium the fourth

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annual contact Symposium was going to be

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held on February 27th through March 1st

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of

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1987. in Rancho Cordova which is a

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Sacramento suburb this is how the

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contact Symposium is described

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contact is described as an

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interdisciplinary Forum on possibilities

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and problems of extraterrestrial contact

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bringing together science fiction

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enthusiasts and anthropology experts for

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now this just sounds fascinating and fun

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to me they're the authors that were

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scheduled to be there were um were

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Powell Anderson Greg bear Larry Niven

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these are these are Big names as well as

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uh NASA's Chief biological researcher a

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scientist named Richard Johnson and the

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topics they were going to cover

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um that were announced at least at the

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time this went to press where alien

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biology alien cultures World building

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and how environment affects culture at

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that

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this this might I would I would go to

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this gosh I would I would go to this um

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all day long so

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it's it's interesting that

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what is being discussed here in this

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contact Symposium which I mean contact

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Symposium is the most sort of UFO land

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name for an event ever right but this

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isn't a UFO event this is

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sort of a collaboration between people

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who

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make a living

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Conjuring up believable or plausible or

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identifiable

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um alien

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environments and getting input and

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interaction and

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um and sort of collaboration between

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fiction authors and scientists who might

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have like things to add this this isn't

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a UFO thing

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maybe that's why it's so interesting for

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me

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um but again fourth annual so this thing

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had been going on a while

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um

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a really really cool sounding thing next

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up we have a lawsuit yes a lawsuit with

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the headline

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washington-based cause exec files suit

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against U.S military

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Larry W Bryant director of the

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Washington DC office of citizens against

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UFO secrecy has filed suit against the

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Departments of Defense Army and Air

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Force in response to perceived injuries

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following publicity efforts on behalf of

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cause

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filed November 13th at the U.S District

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Court for the eastern district of

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Virginia in Alexandria the Free Speech

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lawsuit seeks relief on two counts

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stemming from an advertising campaign

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Bryant recently initiated in various

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military Publications Across the Nation

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in his suit Brian asserts that branches

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of the U.S military were instrumental in

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censoring or rejecting cause ads

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particularly One charging that military

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Medics performed secret autopsies on

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crew members of a UFO that crashed 30

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years ago the ad also asks witnesses to

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step forward and Aid in a Freedom of

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Information lawsuit to make the records

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public Bryant currently a writer and

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editor for the pentagon-based Army news

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service R news also claims that his

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attempts to exercise his constitutional

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rights led to an unsatisfactory job

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rating recently issued by his

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supervisors at our news if left

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unchallenged the official reprisal

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against me taken in the form of attacks

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upon my job performance and professional

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competence will send a negative message

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to all federal workers Bryant comments

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if you dare criticize government policy

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expect to incur the wrath of your

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employer this attitude must not Prevail

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in a democracy Bryant has been a

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pentagon employee for the past 28 years

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the Army has declined comment while the

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civil action is pending

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now as you might expect this sent me

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down a rabbit hole although I think it

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is best that we save that rabbit hole

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until after the break

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so coming up well actually by the time

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you hear this unless you're on the

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patreon and you heard this a few days

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ago by the time you hear this when this

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episode drops I will be

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um on the road to Missouri for my Samuel

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Samuel

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semi-annual-ish paranormal-ish road trip

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and I'm going to Missouri for a number

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of reasons initially I was going to

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check out Cape Girardeau where there was

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apparently a UFO crash back in the 40s

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but then I realized or remembered that

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Missouri was home for a while to Buck

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Nelson and his UFO

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Gathering and I decided to go to that

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area in the Ozarks and check that out

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I've got a stop scheduled at the State

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Historical Society of Missouri to look

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at some materials they have related to

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Buck Nelson's shows and um I'm also

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gonna swing through Piedmont which was

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uh the location of all sorts of

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weirdness over the years so

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um that uh a sort of road trip episode

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is what will be coming up next and if

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you like the show if you like the saucer

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life and and do you want more of the

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sort of thing I'm doing here you can

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support the show in exchange for bonus

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content and uh and all sorts of stuff

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patrons as I mentioned get the episodes

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early and there's a few pieces of bonus

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content every month and this month

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there's going to be a lot of fun stuff

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related to the trip there's also almost

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a year and a half of um previously

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released bonus material that that you'll

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have access to if you're interested

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you can check it out at

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patreon.comedia or via the link in the

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show notes and you can check out all of

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our regular past episodes at

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saucerlife.com or you're in your

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favorite podcast app we're on uh Twitter

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and Instagram at saucerlife and you can

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email us at thesaucerlife gmail.com you

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can contact us by post at chisomedia PO

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Box 68 Grand Blanc Michigan

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484-80 and

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um now I think

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um I think it's time to uh to get back

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to uh the the case of Larry Bryant

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versus the military but first I I do

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want to say that

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um I I appreciate the kind words

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um

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from uh from from you all as I uh uh as

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we dealt with uh with some stuff within

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our family and the loss of our son and

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it was very kind of you to um

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to say some very nice things uh to me

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and to be very understanding about the

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show uh taking a bit of a break and

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um thank you for uh for being back here

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with us uh if you are which if you're

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hearing this you are unless you aren't I

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guess anyway

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um back to uh back to the uh back to the

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fourth Circuit Court of Appeals

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so like I said this sent me down a

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rabbit hole which eventually led me to

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Larry W Bryant plaintiff appellant

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versus Dick Cheney Secretary of Defense

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John O Marsh Jr secretary Department of

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the army defendants appellis and Donald

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B rice Secretary of Air Force defendant

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this was a case decided by the fourth

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Circuit Court of Appeals on December

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Larry Bryant appeals a judgment against

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him after a bench trial in his action

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against the secretaries of defense and

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the Army his suit sought declaratory and

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injunctive relief against adverse

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employment actions and retaliation for

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his attempts to expose an alleged

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government cover-up of visits by

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unidentified flying objects or UFOs we

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so just from that at the beginning

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the we affirm the Judgment at the end

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just if you're not familiar with appeals

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cases that means basically Larry loses

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his appeal so Bryant was described as a

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civilian employee of the defense

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department who wrote for the print media

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section of our news the Army news

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Service as the UFO magazine article

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described so our news basically provided

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stories for newspapers that were

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published by companies that contracted

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with the defense department to provide

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local news for people living on military

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bases around the world

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Bryant had always gotten the the court

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decision talks about always gotten Job

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review ratings of exceptional except for

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his very first one which was

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unsatisfactory this was back in 1985 and

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as the court says quote the 1985 rating

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is The Genesis of this suit

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Bryant is convinced that the government

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has concealed evidence of UFO visits he

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is the director of the Washington DC

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office of citizens against UFO secrecy

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cause in 1983 Bryant on behalf of cause

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filed a civil action in District Court

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in the District of Columbia styled writ

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of habeas corpus extraterrestrial in

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this suit he sought to compel the Air

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Force to produce the bodies of space

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creatures retrieved from Crash saucers

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the suit was eventually dismissed but

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not until it generated a good deal of

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now throughout 1984 and 1985 Bryant had

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attempted to place classified ads in

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many of these R news supportive

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newspapers according to the court quote

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he sought information from the paper's

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military audience about the government's

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alleged cover-up of the UFO Menace end

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quote in these ads Bryant did not

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identify himself as a government

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employee or anything like that he wasn't

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abusing his position

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some were printed some ads were printed

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others were rejected

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now the rejections kind of irritated

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Bryant and in one case he wrote a letter

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to the public affairs officer at Fort

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Dix complaining about the fact that the

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base newspaper would not run his ad the

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recipient according to the court quote

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considered the letter rude and

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threatening

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now all of these activities on Brian's

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part coincided with editorial changes at

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rnews designed to improve the quality of

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stories a new layer of editorial

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oversight was added not because of

559
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:31,320
Bryant this was a just an organizational

560
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,380
wide change and this is

561
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:36,960
what led to Bryant's unsatisfactory

562
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:40,559
rating which was due both to his writing

563
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:43,320
quality and his attitude toward the new

564
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,400
editors

565
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,980
with coaching Brian's next review

566
00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:49,440
reflected Improvement and the

567
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:52,220
unsatisfactory rating from his 1985

568
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:55,740
Employment Review was expunged from his

569
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:58,919
personnel file nonetheless Bryant filed

570
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:02,460
his lawsuit in 1987 claiming that he was

571
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,140
being discriminated against and his

572
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,720
rights were being violated because he

573
00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:09,299
was unfairly singled out because of his

574
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:12,419
views about UFOs and his attempts to

575
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:15,780
entice members of the military to assist

576
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:18,120
him in his Freedom of Information Act

577
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:19,380
efforts

578
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,620
the lower courts had rejected this claim

579
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:25,320
and initially the appeals court affirmed

580
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:27,059
that rejection because among other

581
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:30,179
things quote federal employees aggrieved

582
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:32,279
by Personnel actions are limited to the

583
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,020
remedies provided by the civil service

584
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,020
reform act end quote thus a

585
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:39,120
constitutional claim of free speech

586
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:41,640
being violated was the wrong sort of

587
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,520
venue for Brian's concerns now the

588
00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:46,679
Supreme Court kicked this back to the

589
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:49,340
fourth circuit because during this time

590
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:51,419
there had been

591
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:54,360
other cases

592
00:26:01,789 --> 00:25:58,020
not really about Brian's at all but

593
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,799
touching on the topic of

594
00:26:08,409 --> 00:26:03,900
whether or not

595
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,419
could sue over

596
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,520
civil liberties issues in the course of

597
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:14,460
their employment there was a case in

598
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,700
1998 that said that established a

599
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:19,559
precedent that yes this this could be

600
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:22,919
done so the case is kicked back to the

601
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:25,020
appeals court for

602
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,140
a redo which I'm not sure but I am

603
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:30,299
almost positive Bryant

604
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:32,760
um proclaimed as as the Supreme Court

605
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,100
upholding his claims which absolutely

606
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,880
wasn't the case so this new appeals

607
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:40,500
ruling emerges the one that we're

608
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,220
looking at now and they ruled that the

609
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,980
lower court rejecting Brian's claims was

610
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,520
correct and it's again affirmed because

611
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:52,080
there were two other reasons for the

612
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,120
rejection of his claims that did not

613
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:56,640
rest on whether or not a disgruntled

614
00:27:02,930 --> 00:26:59,460
bureaucrat could use the Constitution as

615
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:02,940
a defense against bad job reviews

616
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,059
first was that Bryant lacked standing to

617
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:08,880
seek the declaratory and injunctive

618
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:12,120
relief that he sought precedent a case

619
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,240
called lion States clearly that there

620
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,400
has to be a real injury that could be

621
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:19,980
relieved by the court not simply the

622
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:22,380
potential for an injury as the court

623
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:24,900
explained

624
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,240
we agree with the appellis that Bryant

625
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,880
lacks standing under Lions Brian's

626
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:31,320
advertisements have been printed in the

627
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,299
civilian Enterprise newspapers his

628
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,820
unsatisfactory rating for 1985 has been

629
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,679
expunged the author of that rating

630
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,960
Captain surface has been reassigned and

631
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,760
Brian's current supervisors have given

632
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:44,039
him Stellar evaluations in essence

633
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,720
Bryant is now asking us for a

634
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,000
declaration that an expunged employment

635
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,400
evaluation was unlawful and for an

636
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:51,840
injunction against adverse treatment

637
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,640
that he can show no indication will

638
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,720
recur

639
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,880
the injunctive and declaratory powers of

640
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,860
the federal court are Broad and vital to

641
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:01,799
justice but article 3 simply precludes

642
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,720
their empty use to enjoin the

643
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:05,580
conjectural or declare the fully

644
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:12,649
basically the court does not have the

645
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:15,720
power or really any reason to say you

646
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,419
know that situation that was resolved to

647
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,220
your benefit

648
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:22,380
that was a messed up situation and they

649
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:23,700
should have fixed it

650
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:25,500
which they did

651
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:27,059
so

652
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,100
hooray

653
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,440
there's another reason for rejecting

654
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,539
Brian's claim as well

655
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:35,340
though we affirm because of the

656
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,260
constraints of article 3 we would be

657
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,120
remiss if we did not note that Brian's

658
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,559
claims were fully tried and found

659
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,720
wanting on their merits The District

660
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,580
Court found that Bryant failed to prove

661
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:46,500
that his protected speech was a

662
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,059
substantial or motivating factor

663
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,039
prompting the adverse employment action

664
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,679
the court then went on to find that even

665
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,900
had Bryant made such a showing the

666
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,640
defendants had satisfied their burden of

667
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,500
proving that the same action would have

668
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:00,360
been taken notwithstanding the protected

669
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:07,789
in other words Larry Bryant got a bad

670
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:10,440
performance review because he was bad at

671
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:11,460
his job

672
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:20,399
reflect that

673
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,399
the UFOs had nothing to do with it they

674
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,500
had enough documentation and enough

675
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:27,659
proof to demonstrate that the

676
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:30,600
unsatisfactory rating he was given was

677
00:29:36,049 --> 00:29:32,100
because

678
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,059
of his actual job performance

679
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,360
which you know is uh

680
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,580
kind of disheartening if you're Larry

681
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,700
Bryant I would imagine although

682
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:47,760
you know it's the UFO field

683
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:51,179
the the court was probably in on it now

684
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:54,059
that earlier action that had generated a

685
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,559
good deal of publicity in the Court's

686
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:58,679
words the habeas corpus extraterrestrial

687
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:01,620
Ploy it was covered by the UPI wire

688
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,240
service on July 14 1983.

689
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,580
citizens against those secrecy filed a

690
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,799
writ of habeas corpus extraterrestrial

691
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,840
to force the government to release more

692
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:15,000
than a dozen ETS supposedly found in

693
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:16,740
Crash flying saucers the group's

694
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:19,080
director said on Thursday we want the

695
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,539
bodies said Larry Bryant a 45 year old

696
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,520
Alexandria writer but we'll take

697
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:25,020
whatever information we can get

698
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,940
including whether the bodies are dead or

699
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,360
alive Bryant who heads the Washington

700
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,679
dc-based Group he says is an umbrella

701
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:34,559
Organization for various UFO groups said

702
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:36,120
he filed the petition to get more

703
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,799
information about the bodies reportedly

704
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:40,140
found in saucer crashes most of them in

705
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:41,340
New Mexico

706
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,620
what our petition aims to do simply is

707
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,200
to perform a citizen's dis arrest to

708
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,059
make the government account formally and

709
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,159
fully for their capture of one or more

710
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:52,620
UFO crewmen that have had The Misfortune

711
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:00,409
I would like to change you know the the

712
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:03,960
legal sort of label of a writ of habeas

713
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:07,559
corpus to a citizen's disaress I I think

714
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,700
that has a nice sort of silly tone to it

715
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:14,399
now the evidence on which

716
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,120
Bryant was basing these claims was uh

717
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:20,820
something we're going to have to look at

718
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,299
at some point but it impinges slightly

719
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:27,600
on being a potential Roswell episode and

720
00:31:32,889 --> 00:31:31,559
that is the the so-called guy Hotel memo

721
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:32,899
um

722
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,820
if you know about the guy Hotel memo you

723
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,740
might know about this and are perhaps

724
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,720
rolling your eyes or stroking your chin

725
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,000
thoughtfully uh for everybody else it's

726
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,059
one of briefly one of the many uh

727
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:47,039
documents that have surfaced from time

728
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:49,020
to time around the whole Roswell thing

729
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,919
that is mired in controversy so we'll be

730
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:55,260
covering that at some point actually I'm

731
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:56,820
making a list of all these sort of

732
00:32:03,409 --> 00:31:59,399
episode topics for the coming months

733
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:03,419
based on this issue of UFO magazine it's

734
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:07,080
great so Bryant did this a lot in 2000

735
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:09,419
he filed a lawsuit against the governor

736
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:12,779
of Virginia James S Gilmore III in which

737
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:13,980
he alleged that the governor's

738
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:15,960
administer situation was ignoring the

739
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,080
public safety issue of the ongoing alien

740
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,840
incursion and failing quote to identify

741
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:24,000
assess and repel this clandestine

742
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,059
Invasion within Virginia indeed Governor

743
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,919
Gilmore quote refused even to

744
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,260
acknowledge the existence of the

745
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:34,140
invasion end quote according to the

746
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,419
Washington Post Bryant sought the

747
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,679
following actions as relief for this

748
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,140
horrible dereliction of Duty by the

749
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,899
governor of Virginia

750
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,600
convene a special State grand jury under

751
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:51,000
the Alexandria Court's Jurisdiction to

752
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,740
investigate the scope impact

753
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,200
perpetrators and methodology of this

754
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,120
clandestine invasion

755
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,580
appoint a state police task force to

756
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:01,080
analyze and publish all available

757
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,480
Intelligence on the subject

758
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,640
direct the Virginia National Guard to

759
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,620
establish and operate a quick reaction

760
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,559
force to impel these non-human humanoid

761
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:13,260
alien entities yet to be apprehended and

762
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,000
brought to Justice

763
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:17,279
afford to Invasion victims the same

764
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,380
victims rights counseling comfort and

765
00:33:25,389 --> 00:33:21,539
protective measures as any other victim

766
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,269
okay as you might imagine this went

767
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:30,240
nowhere

768
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:33,240
Bryant died in 2020 and his papers are

769
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:34,980
now in the possession of the Woodson

770
00:33:40,029 --> 00:33:37,320
Research Center at Rice University which

771
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,039
is currently in the process of

772
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,960
of processing them I didn't think those

773
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,460
words through correctly it looked right

774
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,980
when I was typing it out so that was a

775
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,779
bit of a rabbit hole

776
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,120
um and I think an episode dedicated to

777
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:54,000
to citizens against UFO secrecy in

778
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,519
general should be in our near future so

779
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,220
I will I will pencil that in I I like

780
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,440
things like this because because often

781
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:03,840
you have a a very not always but often

782
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,539
you can find a good paper trail of

783
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,419
things like Appellate Court rulings that

784
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:12,960
give you some insight to with which you

785
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,780
can compare you know what the the courts

786
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:18,060
thought of something as opposed to the

787
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,020
the press release spin of we've got the

788
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:24,359
killer lawsuit that's gonna I don't know

789
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,659
bring us the alien uh the alien bodies

790
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,240
so so definitely we're going to be

791
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,520
getting into cause and more Larry Bryant

792
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,020
and I think what's his name Peter

793
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,659
Kirsten was part of that as well so

794
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:38,879
we'll be getting into that in the future

795
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,240
so go back to the magazine

796
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,119
in one of the opinion columns Bill Moore

797
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,879
of whom we've heard a bit in recent

798
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,679
episodes had a piece that was critical

799
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,440
of contact deism entitled The skeptic

800
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,379
challenges space brother messages with

801
00:35:02,810 --> 00:34:57,900
space brother of course being encased

802
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,670
one of the most curious cure headlights

803
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,720
of modern UFO research especially in

804
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,640
recent years since the alleged psychic

805
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:10,800
channeling of messages or contacts from

806
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,320
presumed space brothers or similar UFO

807
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,900
connected entities too or through human

808
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,280
beings

809
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,440
literally thousands of individuals from

810
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,060
all walks of life have claimed such

811
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,700
experiences in most cases the alleged

812
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:25,500
Communications are said to be for the

813
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:27,060
general good of mankind

814
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,859
many fall into the categories of

815
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:30,900
mystical religious or semi-religious

816
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,200
experiences almost invariably those who

817
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,480
accept the content of such messages as

818
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,040
being valid Communications from

819
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,500
extraterrestrials do so solely on

820
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:42,720
philosophical rather than scientific

821
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:48,230
so it's something a strand of ufology

822
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:51,020
that was there from almost the beginning

823
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,320
that has thousands of claims of such

824
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,480
experiences floating around but it's

825
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,420
just a curious side light to the real

826
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:02,700
scientific rigorous investigation of

827
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:06,839
UFOs later on Moore engages with us in a

828
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:10,680
thought experiment about contactee style

829
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,010
in a malevolent race of Highly Advanced

830
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,760
aliens whose sole purpose for whatever

831
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:20,280
reasons is to completely conquer and

832
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,960
enslave planet Earth

833
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:24,000
there are of course a number of ways to

834
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,280
go about this the messiest of which is

835
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,980
wanton wholesale destruction more subtle

836
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:31,020
however would be to quietly deceive a

837
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,400
certain segment of the Native human

838
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:34,859
population into believing that aliens

839
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,140
are really benevolent space brothers who

840
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,060
have come to save the planet and lead

841
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,460
the human population into a utopian new

842
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,680
age and knowing that a significant

843
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,599
portion of the planet's population is

844
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,760
already expecting their world to be

845
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,920
saved by a second coming an expectation

846
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:52,140
of many Christians what better way to

847
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:54,420
accomplish such a takeover than to Stage

848
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:56,280
just such an event at precisely the

849
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:58,020
right moment thus setting the

850
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,640
conditioned faithful effectively against

851
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:01,619
the Heathen of the world who would

852
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:09,650
hmm that's interesting what would it be

853
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:12,119
like if a group of people decided to use

854
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:15,900
a particular brand or style or Viewpoint

855
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,619
about alien actions to deceive a certain

856
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,960
segment of the the naive human

857
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,520
population

858
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:25,260
how would that go bill

859
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,220
any idea any experience with using UFO

860
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:30,900
stories to deceive part of the

861
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:34,619
population I I don't know being a little

862
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,880
bit snarky there but uh come on bill so

863
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,520
also I think it's interesting that that

864
00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:44,040
this idea of of reconstructing or

865
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,200
constructing a um a fake Second Coming

866
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,839
is something that that did show up a

867
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:52,800
little bit

868
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,099
um hints of it in in some of the the

869
00:38:02,990 --> 00:37:59,040
John learish type things that were

870
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,000
influenced by Paul benowitz's stories

871
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:06,119
um they also

872
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:08,660
these ideas also sort of prefigure

873
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:12,060
search monaster's Project Blue beam

874
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,339
ideas about a holographically

875
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:17,760
constructed uh series of events and and

876
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:19,980
things like that so

877
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:22,619
um it's just it just jumped out at me a

878
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,020
little bit that bill Moore might be

879
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:28,320
telling on himself just a little bit

880
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:32,460
um in in this column there's also a a q

881
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,339
a with Uriel of the unarius society

882
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:37,020
which we will save For an upcoming

883
00:38:43,569 --> 00:38:40,740
episode on eunarius yes it is it is on

884
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:43,579
the list and yes there is a list and yes

885
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,920
I do remember to look at it from time to

886
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:49,079
time and there are also in this issue

887
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:52,920
some first-hand contact the accounts

888
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,140
as was promised in the first issue of

889
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,540
UFO magazine and what I like about these

890
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:00,660
is they're like a page each and they

891
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,560
provide a forum for contact experiencers

892
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,300
who might not have had enough to say to

893
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:09,300
support a book or whatnot to be able to

894
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:10,920
share their interesting stories

895
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:13,980
nonetheless and the one that stood out

896
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:17,700
to me in this issue was the story of two

897
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:22,320
women Judy Wolcott and Bonnie Meyer just

898
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:25,760
listen to this introduction

899
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:28,500
Judy Wolcott and Bonnie Meyer are just

900
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,540
your normal middle American women two

901
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:32,520
cheerful types busily living in that

902
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,920
normal middle American town of Menasha

903
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:35,880
Wisconsin

904
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:38,520
Judy and Bonnie are contactees they

905
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:40,200
share an intense closeness that

906
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,119
transcends the usual bonds of friendship

907
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,700
claiming to be jointly experiencing the

908
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,980
instruction and guidance of a 20 year

909
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,440
old Earth time extraterrestrial woman

910
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,560
named mon from the planet Sorak they've

911
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:54,839
been abducted by her and other ETS at

912
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:57,420
least seven times Judy says she tells

913
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:06,290
so the planet sirak

914
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,829
um sarak could refer to a few things

915
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,440
um one is a city in Iran

916
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:18,720
one is a mountain in South Korea

917
00:40:24,609 --> 00:40:22,520
Sorak is a surname ranked currently at

918
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,619
94

919
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:27,240
730th place in popularity in the United

920
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:34,430
I don't think any of these are where the

921
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,320
name Sorak for the planet came from

922
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:39,599
um Sorak was

923
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,820
an ancient revered

924
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,119
leader among the people of Vulcan on

925
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:46,800
Star Trek and it was Sorak who

926
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,000
introduced the philosophy of of logic

927
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:54,480
um as a way to help the Vulcan people

928
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:58,800
overcome their their violent divisions

929
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:59,579
um

930
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,460
I I think I think that's what we're

931
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,680
looking at here so how does Judy

932
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:07,440
describe herself and Bonnie in terms of

933
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,099
their their perspective on UFOs and UFO

934
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,720
belief

935
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,940
oh we're the girls who boldly used to

936
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:16,500
say that if an alien landed in our

937
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,180
backyard we'd invite him in for coffee

938
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,640
sure we would we used to ride around

939
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,400
after UFO meetings till 2 or 3 A.M

940
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:26,160
Chasing UFOs of course we also found

941
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,619
every radio tower light helicopter and

942
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,780
low-flying aircraft in the area but we

943
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:32,579
really did see hundreds of authentic

944
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,210
amazing how if you look hard enough for

945
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:40,680
a UFO sometimes you might just find one

946
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:44,099
so where does the contact e angle come

947
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,000
in

948
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,520
mon our space friend has given us the

949
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,440
go-ahead to work with you with others

950
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,720
she's advised Extreme Caution we're very

951
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,579
cautious about people juicing up a story

952
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:55,680
to sell more Publications and the things

953
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:02,870
so what has happened to them well it's

954
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,700
the 1980s and it just wouldn't be right

955
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,320
and it wouldn't make sense if there

956
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:10,160
wasn't some kind of abductionist element

957
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:13,500
to this contact story

958
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:15,900
persons we refer to as bug people were

959
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,579
the first to abduct us about 10 years

960
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,800
ago as I write this I'm pouring over

961
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,780
books of notes and scribbles and tapes

962
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,940
from hypnotic sessions we go to a

963
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:26,400
sympathetic hypnotist in Milwaukee one

964
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,900
night when we were returning from a

965
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,000
session in another city 35 miles from

966
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:32,339
here Bonnie and I smelled cinnamon

967
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,660
strange

968
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,300
I had stopped to buy a bag of Cheetos my

969
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,760
car runs on gas and eye on Cheetos and

970
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,380
as we were driving down the highway I

971
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:42,000
rolled up the bag and placed it on the

972
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,720
floor

973
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:44,700
but then I suddenly wanted more Cheetos

974
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,460
and I saw a fog all around me not the

975
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:48,960
car just me

976
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,540
Bonnie said Gee that's funny we just

977
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,460
left Fond du Lac and here we are at The

978
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,619
Filling Station in Oshkosh already

979
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,540
when I got home my husband was teasing

980
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:00,119
me asking about our long ride it was 2

981
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,790
my car runs on gas and I

982
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:12,839
on Cheetos it is

983
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,240
it is almost poetic in its Simplicity

984
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,740
and indeed

985
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,780
in its truth

986
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:23,040
so

987
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:24,540
mon

988
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:29,220
because you've got this this contact e

989
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:31,560
sort of thing they've got their their

990
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:34,680
space friend but they're abducted by the

991
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:36,900
bug people but we don't really hear much

992
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:40,380
about that but we do hear more about mon

993
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,540
months later man told us that the

994
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,220
cinnamon smell was to alert us that

995
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:46,079
something was about to happen we had

996
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:47,700
been abducted and were taken for a ride

997
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,800
on the craft when mon first started

998
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,839
working with us about 10 years ago we

999
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:53,520
got a lot of good aerial shows from The

1000
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,359
Craft

1001
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,760
Boomerang shaped the lights on the tip

1002
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,980
of its wings are red and green the rest

1003
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,319
as many as they want to use are only for

1004
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:02,940
the purpose of camouflage to make people

1005
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:05,220
think they're airplanes the craft has

1006
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,140
two levels the first time I remember

1007
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,420
seeing mon I was standing on board and

1008
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,460
saw this beautiful blonde girl in a tall

1009
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,619
good looking fellow at her side I

1010
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,000
remember wondering why they kept looking

1011
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,099
at me and not saying anything

1012
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:18,960
it's taken quite a lot of hypnotic

1013
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,240
sessions a lot of quiet time and a lot

1014
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,339
of long sessions with mon to piece

1015
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,740
together all this for you we had some

1016
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,420
sessions with her that lasted as long as

1017
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,400
eight hours we were not the only people

1018
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,859
she works with man is a teacher who is

1019
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,480
here to help train us to work with

1020
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,940
people of Earth during the upcoming hard

1021
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:38,160
times that's why when Bonnie and I are

1022
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,660
on board the craft we never see each

1023
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,520
other we're both in different areas

1024
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:43,740
being taught different things

1025
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,020
mon is now using telepathy and is coming

1026
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,300
through Bonnie some call it channeling

1027
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,180
she says it's like reading a ticker tape

1028
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:54,000
I carry on a conversation with Mon and

1029
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:56,220
Bonnie is the mouthpiece she's often

1030
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,960
told us that anytime we work with aliens

1031
00:45:01,790 --> 00:45:00,000
or people in spirit form we should

1032
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,800
protect ourselves from negative forces

1033
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,720
by always using the White Light of

1034
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:05,099
Christ for protection

1035
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,140
we asked how to use the white light and

1036
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,720
she said just to think it believe me it

1037
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,040
works

1038
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,260
we are always asking mon just when we

1039
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,180
will get a ride that we can remember or

1040
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:16,680
when we can meet her in the flesh and

1041
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,500
just sit and talk we're ready we know we

1042
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:21,780
are but it's back to our hypnotist for

1043
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:30,710
I want to hear more about the bug people

1044
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,500
but instead we get Judy talking a bit

1045
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:37,200
more about the philosophical aspects of

1046
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,180
her experiences

1047
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,980
we thought we were ready for all this

1048
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,079
after all we've studied flying saucers

1049
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,880
in life in space for about 12 years now

1050
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,619
we've worked with other people from

1051
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:48,300
other planets who look Nothing Like Us

1052
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,000
the bar rooms seen in Star Wars best

1053
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,220
explains how we all differ the soul is

1054
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,260
the same only the outer body looks

1055
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,060
different but the soul of every person

1056
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:59,040
is unique like a person's fingerprint

1057
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,140
they have what they call a soul computer

1058
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,300
and all they have to do is check the

1059
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,859
computer to get the information they

1060
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,900
need Bonnie and I just happen to have

1061
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:08,640
made a commitment to all this in a past

1062
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:10,619
life so here we are

1063
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:13,079
I had a hologram of a UFO appeared in my

1064
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,339
kitchen while I was on the phone with

1065
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:16,619
Bonnie one day every time we get bored

1066
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,359
with it all they do something to spark

1067
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,700
our interest or to say don't give up

1068
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:22,079
we're definitely working together

1069
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,300
learning together laughing and crying

1070
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:26,160
together there are a lot of things we

1071
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,960
cannot share because some who might get

1072
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:30,420
a copy of this magazine aren't ready for

1073
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,809
no indeed we are not so I I tried to do

1074
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,220
a little checking about uh about Judy

1075
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:43,980
and Bonnie and there isn't a lot out

1076
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,859
there there's a news story from the uh

1077
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,900
the newspaper in Green Bay Wisconsin

1078
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,000
where they they basically tell their

1079
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:53,220
story and emphasize quote we are not

1080
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:57,000
Kooks and there's another interesting

1081
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:58,260
tie-in

1082
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:00,180
between

1083
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:04,920
um Judy Wolcott and the supposed UFO

1084
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:10,020
crash in Kingman Arizona she claimed to

1085
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:10,800
have

1086
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,180
um had letters that or that that it's

1087
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:17,579
it's a complicated story but she has

1088
00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:19,859
another little moment in the sun Beyond

1089
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:20,819
her

1090
00:47:29,809 --> 00:47:25,500
gosh I'm gonna have to put a Kingman

1091
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:29,819
episode on the schedule now aren't I so

1092
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,220
um we will hear more about uh Judy

1093
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:35,339
Woodruff in the future so we've got this

1094
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:36,540
section of the magazine that has

1095
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,260
contacty stories and in the same vein

1096
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:42,720
we've got a feature that was in the last

1097
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,180
uh issue called messages which is

1098
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:47,819
basically pull quotes from prominent

1099
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,540
space beings uh conveyed to us through

1100
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:54,000
uh through their human contacts

1101
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:56,280
um the first one they list is a group

1102
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,160
message from the Council of planets that

1103
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,720
was directed

1104
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:03,720
um directly at UFO magazine or

1105
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,960
California UFO magazine

1106
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,180
this message is for the magazine in

1107
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,640
California we of the Confederation greet

1108
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:13,800
the people of Earth we are here in peace

1109
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:15,420
to help you with your problems on the

1110
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,700
planet now is the time for The Awakening

1111
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:19,319
of all the souls who have come the

1112
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,660
planet Earth these Souls have chosen to

1113
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:23,579
come to help in the time of disaster and

1114
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,579
turmoil The Awakening is upon us we are

1115
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:28,319
here to help all that we can

1116
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,819
the easiest way for this to be

1117
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,560
accomplished is to have people born on

1118
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,359
the planet as they can more easily

1119
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,700
understand the problems of Earth we who

1120
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,200
are born on other planets cannot

1121
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:39,180
understand your problems we cannot

1122
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,560
understand why you cannot live in

1123
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:42,660
harmony with nature you must learn to

1124
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,579
live at one with the universe if you are

1125
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,800
to survive many will read this message

1126
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,900
and it will mean nothing those of you

1127
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,160
who hear this message and understand

1128
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,859
will realize that you are the ones who

1129
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,839
were born on planet Earth to help in its

1130
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:56,880
time of trouble we will sign off now

1131
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:05,690
I find it very interesting that we have

1132
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,280
a an alien a space brother conveying a

1133
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,800
message that's a bit different from a

1134
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:12,599
lot of space brother messages we get

1135
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,020
usually George damski and and all those

1136
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,020
other guys their planets Venus Saturn

1137
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:21,420
Clarion wherever they had gone through a

1138
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,560
period of warfare and disunity like the

1139
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:27,720
Earth is currently going through like

1140
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,700
Vulcan went through before sorak's

1141
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,920
teachings about logic showed them A

1142
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,480
Better Way

1143
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:35,880
um but but but this guy

1144
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:38,579
he's just like we don't get you if if

1145
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,099
you're not from Earth Earth doesn't make

1146
00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:44,400
any sense at all listen to the people

1147
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:45,780
from Earth

1148
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,839
they will they will help you there's

1149
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:50,819
another one of these these short sort of

1150
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:54,599
pull quote messages uh from monka who is

1151
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,140
part of ashtar's Circle of Pals and and

1152
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,380
this irked me to no end

1153
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,720
my last life upon the planet Earth was

1154
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:06,300
lived in the Peruvian age at that time I

1155
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:09,480
was known as viracocha my life in Peru

1156
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:11,640
was a very interesting life we had our

1157
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,500
problems as did all the countries which

1158
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:15,960
were pioneering and building the empires

1159
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,420
to this day you have ruins to prove the

1160
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:21,119
Magnificent unbelievable tasks performed

1161
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:22,920
in the building of irrigation systems

1162
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,589
okay the the irksome thing here is the

1163
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,420
Peruvian age there was no Peruvian age

1164
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:36,720
there were a number of states and

1165
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:39,720
societies and empires in that region

1166
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:43,140
from the Inca to the to the Chavin to

1167
00:50:49,609 --> 00:50:47,099
you know it's it's not just

1168
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,619
one thing that this is

1169
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,920
this is the the kind of

1170
00:50:55,569 --> 00:50:54,000
misrepresentation and misunderstanding

1171
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:55,579
of of of

1172
00:51:02,750 --> 00:50:58,859
ancient cultures that that is that is

1173
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:02,760
that is pervasive and I expect manka to

1174
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:04,460
do better

1175
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,559
what also irks me

1176
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:09,660
about this entire column is that there's

1177
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:14,040
no citations just names and and dates uh

1178
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,160
monka 1985. where were these things

1179
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:19,020
published where were they written who

1180
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,460
did they Channel these messages through

1181
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,260
I want to know more about this guy

1182
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:24,900
calling himself the ruler of Mars or

1183
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:28,740
voltra of Venus it's not

1184
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:31,160
um it's not particularly

1185
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,660
it's it's not particularly helpful why

1186
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:36,359
am I looking at this as a serious

1187
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,619
research tool to find out anything but

1188
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:42,240
um I don't know it's my inner historian

1189
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:44,540
coming out where's the footnotes to this

1190
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:47,940
okay uh getting to the end here we've

1191
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,940
got their gossip column and and this is

1192
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,800
a longish thing but I only get the full

1193
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,440
effect of this this is a page of of

1194
00:51:59,530 --> 00:51:57,480
little things that they said were hot

1195
00:52:03,049 --> 00:51:59,540
bits of gossip and and and and

1196
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:03,059
underground Rumblings in the UFO scene

1197
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,119
and some of these things are yes I knew

1198
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:08,640
that some of these things are hmm that's

1199
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,480
interesting and some of these things are

1200
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:14,880
that's kind of dumb and I I assume if I

1201
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:16,980
were to ask any one of you

1202
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:20,099
um we would all have different ways of

1203
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:22,859
categorizing each of these gossip bullet

1204
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:23,880
points

1205
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:26,700
um as you know being

1206
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,480
obvious interesting or dumb

1207
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:33,119
did you hear about the mysterious man

1208
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,920
who appeared at Memorial services for

1209
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:37,079
Challenger astronaut Ellison onizuka

1210
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,819
presenting his widow with the actual

1211
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,559
flag the astronaut had taken with him

1212
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,720
into space Air Force officials in

1213
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:44,940
attendance almost passed out

1214
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:47,160
that's probably because if such a thing

1215
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,280
actually happened it is the most

1216
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:53,040
tasteless sort of joke I can possibly

1217
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,599
imagine

1218
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,940
did you hear that the awesome security

1219
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:59,040
surrounding the top secret U.S bomber

1220
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,020
which crashed in mid-california a while

1221
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,240
back was so impenetrable for very

1222
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,559
different reasons than the ones

1223
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,940
publicized

1224
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:07,800
did you hear that some people believe

1225
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,859
Jesus's home planet is Venus

1226
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:13,020
yes yes I have

1227
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:14,760
did you hear about the conspiracy

1228
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,099
between hostile aliens and the CIA to

1229
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:19,260
take over the world yes but I would like

1230
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,640
to see a sort of novel about a CIA mj-12

1231
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,490
Professor who believes that aliens May

1232
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:30,660
resemble fish more than any other life

1233
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,500
form

1234
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,420
did you hear about the reporter who was

1235
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:35,579
a Douglas Adams fan who thought he would

1236
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:38,220
ask professors what they think about the

1237
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:40,020
ideas presented in so long and thanks

1238
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,180
for all the fish I have a feeling that's

1239
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,640
where that story emerged from

1240
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,559
did you hear that the ETS and close

1241
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,480
encounters were modeled after data from

1242
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,119
an actual case that a prominent UFO

1243
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,280
investigator was set up on false charges

1244
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,500
and jailed for being too open with his

1245
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,940
UFO info

1246
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,440
did you hear that according to the

1247
00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:00,599
Theology of some ETS the Christian

1248
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:03,180
Trinity is actually protons electrons

1249
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:04,619
and neutrons

1250
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,940
did you hear that the string of

1251
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,099
earthquakes in California is a direct

1252
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:10,020
result of underground nuclear testing

1253
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,420
and ETS have expressed their disapproval

1254
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,339
to the authorities here on Earth

1255
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:16,800
that the late George adamsky contact D

1256
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,980
was a stooge for corporate fascists I

1257
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:21,599
really like that they slipped this one

1258
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,780
in there no snark of any kind I love

1259
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,480
that or that America's top UFO debunkers

1260
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:29,460
the CIA operative

1261
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,220
that field reporters for ABC TV plan to

1262
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:34,680
join a UFO entrepreneur on a trip to

1263
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,079
South America in hopes of catching a UFO

1264
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:39,119
landing on tape and conducting an

1265
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,800
interview with an ET

1266
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,599
did you hear that earthlings were told

1267
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:44,339
to quit messing around in outer space

1268
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:46,619
until things are healed on Earth

1269
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:48,599
did you hear that some of these rumors

1270
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,609
actually those rumors were more fun than

1271
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:57,660
I thought and and I I didn't have an

1272
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,300
opinion on all of them but some of them

1273
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,579
as you heard I did have an opinion on so

1274
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:05,220
we're going to close this out with the

1275
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:08,280
um the classified ads and one in

1276
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,040
particular

1277
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,780
galacticom planetary communique presents

1278
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,880
the messages of ashtar commander of the

1279
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,500
galactic fleets and representative of

1280
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,200
the Confederation of free planets editor

1281
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:22,140
Carol Hall AKA Alvin says she is the

1282
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:23,819
designated spokesperson on this planet

1283
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,300
for ashtar and the Confederation

1284
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,980
galacticom is specifically designed to

1285
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,480
keep the populace posted on special

1286
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,460
Communications from the command and

1287
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,800
increase awareness of the subtle effects

1288
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,260
of Mankind's Collective energies on the

1289
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:39,540
more etherealized ecosystems of our

1290
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:42,780
planet contact Carol Hall galacticom P.O

1291
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,809
first of all galacticom is is clearly

1292
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:56,880
probably the name of a computer game

1293
00:56:02,530 --> 00:56:01,200
company that lasted from about 1988 to

1294
00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:02,540
about

1295
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,059
1992 that had one game that you loved

1296
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,920
that you can't remember the name of but

1297
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,319
you can remember every other aspect

1298
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:13,200
about it that's just what that name

1299
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:16,680
galacticom sort of conjures for me but

1300
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,520
uh the point of of playing you that out

1301
00:56:24,609 --> 00:56:22,440
was was basically just it's an

1302
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:24,619
illustration of how in this age where

1303
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:28,319
ashtar was represented in the the

1304
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:30,900
published press mostly by uh by tuella

1305
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,579
uh the the sweet little old lady

1306
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:35,160
channeling ashtar you've got this person

1307
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:37,559
out there saying no I'm the

1308
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,260
representative of ashtar so a number of

1309
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:43,680
of bootleg ashtars running around which

1310
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:46,980
I always find fun

1311
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:50,700
so this second issue of UFO magazine is

1312
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,440
is very much like the first and there

1313
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:54,420
are some some big stories in there that

1314
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,040
we didn't touch because they're they're

1315
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,619
going to be they're they're part of of

1316
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,920
bigger episodes that may come along down

1317
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,500
uh down the line so I don't want you to

1318
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,839
get the impression that uh that it's

1319
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,280
it's just

1320
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:11,280
weird contacty stories and pull quotes

1321
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,579
and classified ads but uh there were

1322
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,440
stories there's this Brazilian case

1323
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:18,599
that's spanning a few issues that we're

1324
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:20,940
going to look at you know on its own

1325
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,400
more in depth at some point

1326
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:26,640
um the tuella Q a like I mentioned

1327
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,880
um but also there's this um there's this

1328
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,740
sense that

1329
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,839
um that the magazine is still finding

1330
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,339
its way which makes sense because it's

1331
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:38,700
the second issue but they seem committed

1332
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:40,260
to this idea

1333
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:43,980
that you can examine all the different

1334
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:46,920
aspects of this and give

1335
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,000
um give page space to a wide variety of

1336
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:53,040
opinions and that this is the best way

1337
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:55,260
to do it and this is what a good UFO

1338
00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:57,960
magazine should do

1339
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,599
as we throughout this year continue

1340
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,300
looking at these early issues of UFO

1341
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:05,280
magazine we're going to try to sense

1342
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,900
when that changes

1343
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:09,119
and why

1344
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:11,940
but for now let's just enjoy the fact

1345
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:13,079
that

1346
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:16,260
you know there were some very sweet

1347
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,839
ladies from Wisconsin who

1348
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:21,300
had a friend from a planet named after a

1349
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:23,050
Star Trek character

1350
00:58:34,089 --> 00:58:32,450
thank you for listening and send in your

1351
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:34,099
questions and comments via the usual

1352
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,319
channels social media email and I'll

1353
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:39,119
I'll address those next time it had been

1354
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:41,160
so long since the uh the last episode

1355
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,819
that um I I didn't have my list of

1356
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:47,280
questions from the the Victor episode

1357
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,540
but

1358
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:50,220
um

1359
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:52,200
yeah I think that's fine

1360
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:55,020
um but we'll get back on that that habit

1361
00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:57,420
of uh of addressing those

1362
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,059
so again thanks for listening our

1363
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,220
associate producer is Simpson J Hanover

1364
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:04,079
III and the saucer life is a production

1365
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:07,559
of chiso media LLC chisomedia our heart

1366
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:11,760
is with the people until next time keep

1367
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:14,280
watching the skies

1368
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,579
and each other rest in peace Jerry

1369
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:19,920
Springer I spent way too much time

1370
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:22,680
watching your television show back in